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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:42 pm 
General Coach (Admin)

Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:49 pm
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Please be sure to read the Forum Rules located in the Welcome Section of the Forums. Cross Posting, which is Recovery posting on the Partners Forums or Partners posting on the Recovery Forums is not allowed unless the thread states in the title "Both Sides Welcome".

Also because of the nature of our site and the emotions that are involved these Open Threads should be limited to subjects where there is a specific need/purpose to help in healing or recovery. General discussions are discouraged for cross posting. Everything on RN should have a purpose towards reaching your goals of individual growth. The only exception being if you are doing the Couples Workshop in which case there is a Specific Support Forum for those couples.

Please understand there is a reason we have always operated this way and why it has worked to keep our site on target with Recovery Nation's Mission. If you feel the need to have general discussions in a mixed environment, there are Forums out there for that express purpose and there is no reason why you can't participate in them while on your journey here at RN.

Thank You,


PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:31 pm 
Partner's Coach (Admin)

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I would like to talk about the use of "both sides open" in the forums as ourgrowing population has given rise to a increase in cross posting, which has been met with some backlash from some community members. Back when I first joined Recovery Nation, the forums were completely separate, and while I am certain that some partners frequently read threads on the recovery forums (and likewise, some recovering members read on the partners) it was not something that was encouraged.

Some reasons why cross posting is not encouraged:

1. It distracts some members from where they should be placing their focus.
2. It can be used as a way to seek unhealthy stimulation from members of the recovery path (for partners) and vice versa.
3. Most members view Recovery Nation as a safe place to come to, to share their feelings and concerns openly, and to get down to the business of healing and recovery. Having open posts causes some members to feel violated or unsafe to share openly in both the support and/or the lesson response forums.
4. Not all members are responsible for themselves, nor do we all consider the impact of our actions on others; we simply do not have the staff to monitor all posts for these members and "both sides welcome" can occur as an open invitation to flame at members of the other side. This is rare, but has happened.

Now, here it is our philosophy that we are each responsible for our own healing and recovery processes, and we encourage members to develop self-awareness and to practice discernment, filtering their own actions through their own values, within the context of the bigger picture of their lives. We also encourage a supportive and mutually respectful atmosphere. Given these values, we do not want to create a rule that no posts can ever be opened to both sides, as sometimes there is a very valid reason for so doing. Further, micromanaging the community in this way takes the power away from its members to manage themselves.

Some things to remember when creating, posting or reading "both sides welcome".

1. Regardless of the path we are on, our perceptions are subjective to our experiences, and also subject to our own motives. Sometimes we think we will get objective information from members of the other forums (and granted, sometimes we do) but the most objective information is available from the coaches (or from the workshop lessons themselves). It is our commitment and duty to this community, as coaches, to be objective.
2. We all have our own values that we live by and these values can be reflected in our exchanges on the forums. Further, we are all in various stages of vision and values development work; some people prefer to post in support forums than do the work.
3. Wrong-making is discouraged. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and we are free to share those opinions, but in the context of the rules of the forum, and out of sheer respect for others, we do not impose our opinions or make others wrong for theirs.
4. Before you post a both sides welcome question or response, filter your decision for so doing through the above considerations and ask yourself:
    What is the main reason for my post?
    Does my query require responses from both sides? (see #1)
    What are the potential conflicts or boundary violations that can arise?
    It is a possibility that I am looking for attention or stimulation from members of the "other side"?
    If I suspect so, what is the motivation for my seeking? (lonely, bored etc.) and how can I better provide myself with stimulation or attention in a healthy way?
    Am I violating any boundaries by posting this? (If you are unsure of where the line is, consider that that is where your line is!)
    Is there a values based purpose to seeking answers from "both sides"

I also want to discuss some healthy reasons for both sides welcome posts. In opening ourselves up to healthy communication with members from the other sides of the forum, we can foster respect, relatedness, unity, objectivity, shared goals, non-judgement, compassion, equality, humanizing of others (or de-objectification), etc. We can gain insight from the other members (remembering the subjectivity factor). We can gain comparative information (but again, people vary in where they are in the process, and not two addictions are exactly alike, just as no two individuals are exactly alike and, comparing is extrinsically driven whereas healing and recovery are intrinsic).

Before I close, I want to reiterate that our community is as it is because of its membership and our shared commitment to healthy based healing and recovery. We do not want to ban both sides welcome posting, but we are prepared to if people do not respect the collective values of this community and of the site when creating or participating in such posts. If anyone has anything constructive to contribute to this subject, please do. We ask you all to join us in supporting our mission and keep Recovery Nation the amazing an invaluable resource that it is.

Be well.

Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom. (Viktor E. Frankl)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:01 am 

Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:48 pm
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I am new to Recovery Nation, so I am a little confused by the "both sides open" provision. I was thinking that this merely meant the welcoming of other views and the request for them.
While I would love to ask some questions that I have always been curious of, even I would hesitate to do so because the question (s) could easily be misconstrued as a attempt at stimulation, when in fact, we might genuinely be seeking realistic knowledge. Also, I do know that it is easy to deceive ourselves.
Thank you for your alertness. We realize that you all know more and know better. This provision is here to help us. If that means not being able to ask a question then that's a small price to pay.
Please be patient with the rest of us, since as we all know, there are many "perverts" among our community. I include myself since I too have been harmed by this practice. Thank you for this provision and hopefully we'll all achieve the maturity to bear up under any who willingly or unwittingly misuse this from time to time. -Appreciatively

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:42 am 

Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:19 am
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Sir I am using self help recovery thread can i use community support formto assessing my compulsive behaviour

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:35 am 
Recovery Coach

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:07 pm
Posts: 3912
Location: UK
Hello Lohananth
The forum annotated recovery is for members to record their progress their emotions and feelings etc
Other members except for coaches and mentors should not post into another members thread
the forum annotated community is for members to ask questions , gain insights and understanding and thus is open to all members in the recovery programme
partner forums are excluded from members comments unless the partner has specifically asked a question that is specified as being open to both sides

so to answer your question the community forum is there to aid you when aid outside of the lessons is felt to be needed
however please be mindful to support the fact that the forum is not a chat room
hope this helps

Remember recovery is more than abstinence
Every transition begins with an ending
Do not confuse happiness with seeking pleasure
stay healthy keep safe
Coach Kenzo

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